Sunday, 1 June 2025

Elsie Gagnon Interview 2006

 NIPIGON HISTORICAL MUSEUM            March 28, 2006

 

Elsie Gagnon

Resident of Nipigon

Parents names: Ida and Ed Oja ?

Siblings: Shirley, Donny,

 

 



I came to Nipigon in 1940 with my twin sister and my two brothers.  My sister lives in Dorion now and her son Kevin Maloine was the Reeve there for a while.  We came from Silver Mountain in Nolalu which is by the bridge at Kakabeka in Thunder Bay.  My mother’s family grew up there and she had fourteen in her family so I have a lot of cousins.  My dad worked in the bush camps and that was the reason why we moved here because we didn’t have a vehicle in those days and it was too far for him to come home so he moved us here.  He first worked in the bush camps and then he worked for Nick Salo and he was the truck driver for him and I worked there too.  My mother worked there for a while too and then I worked at Consumers-Co-Op in 1948 until it closed.  I was working there first and then worked for Nick Salo and from there I worked at the Hudson’s Bay Company.  At the Consumers Co-Op I worked with Archie Salo and he drove for them and used to do the deliveries for Pine Portage and Cameron Falls and I used to fill all of the orders for them and it was the truck drivers who would bring the groceries to them and would come back with a new list and I think they went twice a week.  We’d fill the orders and then they would haul out the groceries to them and you had to write out all the orders by hand in those days and even with those tiny little notepads and the same with Zechner’s until they got those tills that you just put everything for and everything is itemized.  I worked at Zechner’s for 20 years and I had to write everything out by hand you know all the fire orders and it was pages and pages of orders.  Then I worked for Alec Fraser too and he had a television repair shop and he sold licenses there too and I don’t know how long I worked there and then went over to work at Zechner’s.  I think when his wife came to work there was when I left Alec’s and his store was right beside Doc’s.  My father worked in Beardmore and my mother worked in the Bush too and they were both working in 1952 when I got married and worked there and then I think when that was all finished they ended up working for Nick Salo first for a while.  After working for Nick my father worked for the Department of Highways until he retired which was here in Nipigon.  I don’t really remember how many years it was he worked for the Department of Highways but he retired when he was 65.  I was 19 when I got married and he was 25 years older than I am so he must have been there for about thirty years and he drove truck for them.  He was there when they put the highway in and he did the shoveling at the gravel pits.  He also worked for Paju’s too and he used to crush rocks on the Cameron Falls road where they used to have just before where the old dump was and there was a gravel pit there.  Paju’s used to own that gravel pit there and my dad worked on the rock crusher for quite a while and he worked in many different places.  Back then you didn’t have to stick to just to one job, you could move around and do different jobs and I know he drove taxi also.  You didn’t have to worry about it if one job was finished because you could always move onto another job not like today which you don’t dare quit your job. 

 





When I was sixteen I can remember Nipigon was a pretty busy place and all the bars were going strong and the bowling alley and everything.  It was always busy on the main street not like now.  We had a really good Hockey team then too which was the Nipigon Flyers and I have pictures of them.  My husband played hockey too until he got water on his elbows and had to quit because he said it wasn’t worth it to play and get injured.  My husband and Marshall Borsk played defense and Marshall was really tall and was about 6'4" and my husband’s only 5'7".  I got engaged in the outdoor rink here when my husband was looking after it which was the one on first street.  If we wanted to go and skate on the rink we all had to go and clean the ice off before we could go on.  When they closed the place up we would go and sit where the players box was and would take our shoes off and would skate in the dark.  Berube’s lived next door to the rink and we used to dig tunnels and we had a tunnel underneath there us girls and when I stop to think about it now it was really dangerous and we’re lucky it never collapsed.  We had tunnel’s all over the place over there and we used to go under them and crawl all over the place.  I would never let my kids do that but that’s what we used to do back then but the snow was really hard but when you stop to think about it we could have suffocated underneath them if it would have collapsed.  We had heavy snow back then but now looking back it wasn’t the smartest idea we had going.  We used to go to dances which were called Teen Town and they used to have them at the school auditorium and we were young when we went to those and then they eventually closed them down.  Then I remember when they brought in a band which was playing all over Canada and they came one night to the school auditorium and that place was just packed and it was really nice.  I guess that would have been during the war when they came and I was about fourteen or sixteen.  I was nine when I came in 1940 and I went to the Nipigon Consolidated school and Miss Ryerdon was one of my teachers and I had her in grade eight.  I quit school in grade eight and didn’t quite finish the year but in those days you didn’t have much of a choice because you had to quit school and go to work.  Mrs. Swain was a teacher there but I never had her, Miss McDonald, I had Mary Meyers, and Miss Ryerdon, Miss Newton.  Miss Ryerdon taught grades 7 and 8.  I have an old newspaper here with some of the other teachers who taught there and it’s the Nipigon News and Sy Copps used to run the paper then and he came here to run the paper.  The Roxy Café was where the Library is now and Reliable Launders and Cleaners was a drycleaning company right next door to where the Nipigon Café is now.  A lot of the businesses like Hudson’s Bay Company, E.C. Everett and the Big 6 was Anabelle Lee’s place.  Mike Borsk used to own the International and then Nick Salo and there was the Corner Coffee Shop and then Kriff’s was where Jackie Oja has her tax office now.  Consumer’s Co-Op was where Zechner’s is now and Florian Zechner was where the drug store is now, Thompson’s Drugs was in this building here where the museum is now which was the L&L before that.  Frank Atwill had the bowling alley and the Pool Room which is where the China Gardens is now.  Then the Nipigon Inn and A.  Kriff had a jewelry shop beside that on the corner and the Municipal Office and Palm Dairies and the International Hotel.  William Bravo and Grant Willan had a business fixing small motors which is where the Silver Club is now.  The Bottling Works was where Zechner’s is now and it was in behind there where the trucks unload they used to make their own pop and it was really good pop too.  Then the Ovilio Hotel which is gone now too but then there was Fred and Jean’s Taxi Company which was owned by Fred Schwetz and Jean Choiselat.  Julia Marciski was a Schwetz and that was her father who owned that.  Crescent Taxi was owned by Charlie Choiselat, Whimpy’s taxi was over and across from the Nipigon Café and then Dr.  Jefferey had his office down in the basement of the museum building here.  I had Dr.  Davies when I had my first baby and I was shy because I was only nineteen and he said to me “well my wife never wears fancy panties like those”, well was I ever embarassed I could have dropped through the floor!  Then when I had my second child who in fact will be 50 in May, I went to Dr. Somerleigh and he was telling me about protection and he says “those condoms are no good you know because they store them up on top of buildings, and garages and roofs and everything else and they break when you go to use them”!.  I didn’t want to discuss it with him but he was so forward about it.  Then after that I couldn’t get pregnant anyways and it took me eleven years to get pregnant after that.  I always wanted six kids but we ended up having three and we lost the fourth child when he was two and a half.  I’ve got a daughter living in Manotick outside of Ottawa and then my son lives in St.  Paul, Minnesota and he married an American girl and they’ve been married now for eleven years. He was married once before when he was a young kid here in Nipigon and he was only 17 and she was 16 but she was pregnant and that marriage didn’t last.  I knew it wouldn’t last that first marriage because they were way too young but he has a nice daughter and now she got married last August and is expecting and that’ll make me a great grandmother.  When she was pregnant with my grandchild her father wanted her to get an abortion and I was against it and I told my son that I’d wonder for the rest of my life about the baby.  So anyways, she was lucky she had the baby because it was the only child she had and she started having problems and I think ended up having a partial hysterectomy on her.  If she would have gone through with the abortion she probably would have never had another child.  I always felt like when they lived here that we had our grandchild until she was about two years old and we had her it seemed every single week-end and sometimes my husband would tell me “we’re not going to take her this week-end”!  Come Friday night though he would tell me to phone and tell them we’d take her for the week-end.  She is really close to us though and I’ve always felt like she was my daughter.  My daughter has three kids too but she’s always lived away from us and they’ve lived in Thompson, Manitoba and then they moved to Terrace, B.C., and then to Yellowknife, then to White Rock and then to Manotick.  So I was there with her when she had the babies and I saw two of my grandchildren being born. 

 

My two kids grew up here and went to High School there in Red Rock and my daughter married Mike Zeleny from Red Rock.  They haven’t ever been close to Nipigon and her husband works for the R.C.M.P. and they just got back from a trip to France.  My daughter knew I was going to be worried about her going to France so she didn’t tell me about the trip because she knew I would worry and I shouldn’t worry but ever since we lost our child I always worry.  For their 25th wedding anniversary she won a cruise from the Royal Bank a few years ago. 

 



When I was young my friends were Verna Manilla who stood up for me when I got married and Anita Hanes.  They were the two I hung around with the most and in fact they worked at the Theater where I worked too which was the Plaza Theater.  One sold tickets and the other made popcorn and I was working at Consumers and would meet them after work and we would go in the evening to see a show there.  In fact, I remember one time we were in there and it was a midnight show and we went in at about ten o’clock that night to go and get things ready and there was a mouse in there.  Well you should have seen those two girls, one was on the counter and the other was on top of the chesterfield and I said “what’s wrong with you”? And they said “there’s a mouse” so I said “it won’t hurt you” so I grabbed the mouse by the tail but it curled up and bit me.  So I had to drop it but I ended up getting it but there were the two of them scared as anything!.  The Plaza was owned by the Airchuck’s then Nester was his first name and he came from Beardmore I think and they lived in the house where Roe and Hilja Skillen live.  I think they had three kids who are somewhere in Southern Ontario now because I had asked Verna Taisey if she heard that they were still living and she said as far as she knows they are.  Nester was in a partnership there with a short man but I can’t recall his name.  Bill Dwyer had it last and they bought it off of Airchuck’s and they ran it for quite a while and then Carol Zechner took it over and then Don Martin and his wife and I think there was someone before them even but nobody really kept it as long as Airchuck’s did.  In fact the guys who were building the Plaza at the time one of them was Johnny Poho’s brother and nephew worked on building the theater. 

 


We used to go to Pine Portage all the time too and I used to go there with Johnny Yuhl who used to drive the Imperial Oil truck and Verna Taisey and I used to go for a ride with him all the time down to Pine Portage to see what they were doing there with construction and everything.  That was on my day off because I was working at Consumers then and you couldn’t just go whenever you wanted to.  There used to be a lot of people living at Pine then and even at Cameron they had a little village there and my cousin used to work there too Ray Koitonen and his wife Helvi and they had three kids.  They lived there too and Mary and Joey Reno used to live there too and Bev Lynch and the Hill’s, there were quite a few that lived there in that little village and they used to come here on a Saturday night to go bowling and would go to the bar.  Lots of them would drink and then drive home on that road and that’s where John Sharp and Oville had that bad accident on that road they weren’t drinking because John never drank but he was more crippled up after that accident then he ever was.  John’s wife got injured too and I don’t think she ever completely recovered from her injuries and she had her ups and downs.  John was the book keeper at Zechner’s and he was a member at the United Church and then they moved to the Baptist Church.  A lot of people left the United Church when they started to bring in women ministers there and they were against it. 

 


There used to be a dance hall just at the beginning of the Cameron Falls road on the left hand side on the corner and Allan Hannula’s mother ran that place.  Kilborn’s live there now but we used to go there and there was another dance hall where Dr.  Somerleigh used to live which was Paju’s house on Hogan Road.  Mikko Lespi’s brother lives there now and there used to be a garage there and that’s where there was another dance hall.  Art Sjollander and his wife Marie owned it and Goesta Sjollander and his brother ran it and we used to go there to dance and they would have more or less like a hoe down and what not there.  Once you got married that was the end of going to those sorts of things.  Going with Buster, he was never a dancer but I loved to dance so we used to go to Hockey games before we were married.  He used to phone me at the Hudson’s Bay and say “you wanna go to the Hockey Game tonight?” and I’d say “yes” and he says “well be ready because I’ll be there a little after six to pick you up”.  So I’d run home like anything and get changed and away we’d go.  We used to go to Marathon, Terrace Bay, Geraldton and all over the place to watch the games and there were good games and it was good hockey.  My brother Donny played and he got a broken nose one time in Marathon from a guy hitting him with a stick and he finally ended up having to get operated on because he couldn’t breathe right. 

 

I still don’t watch hockey now because I can’t stand to see anybody getting hurt and it seems so rough today. We have a camp out at Polly which we’ve had for 38 years now. 

 

When I worked at Consumers I remember the manager was leaving and they held a party for him and so I drank wine that night and we were playing in one of the base ball tournaments up at the school the next day because we had a girls team.  I was hung over pretty good and wasn’t paying attention and someone called out my name and the ball came flying at me and I put my hand up to deflect the ball but I even surprised myself that I caught the ball and somebody got out.  We always held our games at the Public school and I played for about three years which was up until I met my husband and then I didn’t play anymore.  I used to skate a lot and I loved to skate and my husband and I used to both love going skating all the time.  I would love to skate now but I have Osteoporosis and I can’t take the chance of falling down. 

 


My husband Buster worked on the boats here at the water front on the Anisse Lee and he was the captain on that boat for a long time.  He worked in the bush camps too and then got transferred over to Red Rock when both of my kids got married.  So he asked if he could get transferred into Red Rock at that time because both of my kids got married in a three month span.  Then he retired from the mill there but he worked there from 1947 and was retired since he was 65.  He will be 84 in May and there is ten years difference between he and I.  When I was working in the Theater in 1951 I said to Buster “save me a seat” just for the fun of it and I don’t think he thought I meant it.  I think I had been taking tickets that night and when I was finished and the show started I was just lucky that there was a seat beside him.  So then he asked me if I wanted to go to Winfields where they played cards down the basement in the rumpus room.  So I said “sure” and I didn’t get home until by six o’clock in the morning and he took me home by taxi anyways.  We’ve been married  for 54 years since Feb. 20th.